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November 26, 2014

The Tamir Rice Shooting

The security camera video of the shooting of Tamir Rice. The first seven minutes show what looks like a bored kid just hanging around waiting for something to happen. Shortly past the 7-minute mark the police arrive on the scene.

Questions for cops with experience. How often do dangerous shooters calmly stroll up to the point where you are going to stop your police car? If you are responding to a report of a man with a gun, do you drive right up to that man and stop within only a very few feet? What's the minimum amount of time you think it might take from the moment you stop your vehicle until your partner has put a bullet in the suspect? In this video we see that it took three seconds. How much longer do you think it would take if the man with a gun was not black?

Filed under Public Safety | permalink | November 26, 2014 at 03:51 PM


Objective people wait until all the facts are in before arriving at conclusions. I'm sure the media has played the race card prematurely so you're right, the race card is on the table. I'm just suprized you made it an issue (and you did by asking the question).
To answer your other questions: yes, perps do sometimes casually walk up to officers while cops are in their cars or seated at a restaurant, or standing on the corner. That's called an ambush and it happens a number of times each year. Do cops drive right up on suspects they are going to confront? Yes, they do....depends on
The circumstances. A police car can provide a measure of cover absent a desireable alternative. As to your last question, how long would you wait to respond when a gun is pointed at you? In that situation, race is irrelevant.

Posted by: Russ Martin at Nov 27, 2014 1:06:49 PM

I'm not expecting a complete analysis of the full situation from just this video. My questions were exactly what my questions were. The race card is already on the table. If the police want to take it out of play it's up to them to change.

Posted by: Ron's Log at Nov 27, 2014 11:35:03 AM


There's a lot of missing information needed to determine whether or not proper tactics were used. It's not apparent from the video to ascertain the age of the boy. His clothing may have obscured his true age. The reporting party told dispatch it was guy pointing a gun at people which you can apparently see early in the video when he's standing inside the gazebo. The perp was not identified as a child so his age wasn't apparent to the reporting party either.
Many real guns look fake and some fake guns look real.....do you want to bet your life that you can tell the difference in a split second when one is pointed at you? I don't. As for driving up on the subject, we need to know at what point they determined he was the subject they were looking for. Maybe they were looking for someone a little older (obviously) and didn't determine he was the one they were looking for until they were virtually on top of him.
Too many unanswered questions to properly evaluate tactics. To play the "race card" at this juncture is premature and unfair until all the facts are known.

Posted by: Russ Martin at Nov 27, 2014 11:26:35 AM

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