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December 30, 2011

DHS City Council - December 20

The audio recording of this meeting of the Desert Hot Springs City Council meeting is available here.

Invocation

It's rare that I highlight the invocation, but none of the usual ministers showed up, and without Karl Baker on the city council there was no one to fall back on. So Mayor Parks delivered the invocation. I think this was the first I'd seen her do that, so here it is:

I do want to have the higher power here to direct us and to give us guidance in making this the best city in the Coachella Valley. With the cooperation of the community, the staff, and the council, I'm sure that this could be accomplished. In Jesus' name, amen.

Closed Session

There was no reportable action on any of the items on the closed session agenda, but an urgency item was added: something to do with the labor negotiations with the Police Officers Association. Attorney Duran said that there hadn't been enough time to finish that item, so the council would return to closed session after the open session.

Recognitions

Mayor Parks presented certificates of recognition to Catherine Romero (Planning), Elizabeth Versace (Planning), and Mary Hutchinson (Community & Cultural Affairs). She also had certificates for Charles Garland (Architecture & Landscape Review), Karen Proksel (Planning), Tim Young (Public Safety) and Jeanne Jussila (Community & Cultural Affairs), but they were not present.

The Mayor also had a belated certificate of recognition for Michael O'Keefe who was not present. She said he had taken Cabot's Pueblo Museum and really put it on the map. "For some reason I failed in my job to recognize him when there was a change in management of that facility." He had been recognized for his philanthropy, but not for his hard work and dedication to the museum.

Then Mayor Parks presented a certificate of recognition to Eddie Johnson for his work, leadership and fundraising to bring the Vietnam Memorial Moving Wall to Desert Hot Springs. In turn, Mr. Johnson presented the city with a mounted & framed collection of mementos of the days when the wall was here.

Holiday Decorating Contest Winners

Photos can be seen here. Sweepstakes award went to 66236 San Juan, David Woodall. First place was 66170 5th Street, Rosalia Luna. She had brought her entire family, which occupied about a quarter of the seats in the Carl May Center. Second place was 10365 Cactus, Manuel Sandoval. Honorable Mention went to 11600 Verbena, Cleveland Hope. The Mayor's Award went to 13860 Hermano Way, Caesar Oviato (not sure of that last name). He was not present for this, which is too bad. I got to meet him while George Fisher and I were photographing the winning homes, and he's very nice. Each of the winners received a certificate and a Christmas tree ornament bearing the city seal.

CCAC Commissioner George Fisher thanked his fellow commissioners for their help and Mayor Pro Tem Jan Pye for stepping in at the last minute when the Mayor couldn't make it to the final judging. He said that next year they might add a "People's Choice Award." Dot Reed made the tree ornament gifts.

Public Comments

George Fisher said the fourth annual Shake, Rattle & Roll earthquake expo would be Saturday, February 25, from 10 AM to 2 PM at the high school. It might be scaled down a bit this year, but there will be more presentations from different organizations.

Dot Reed said this would be the last council meeting of 2011. "The last four years have been fabulous," she said. She said we need to be thankful for all of the improvements that have taken place. "With a very positive attitude, kindness and respect" we can continue that way in the future, she said.

Maria Theresa Dobrev said she was seeking advice. She had a serious problem with the "head of code enforcement." She got a letter saying she had to pay $300 with no explanation. Her mother is in the hospital dying. She has to work every day and spend every night with her mother. Two years ago at the same property, she said it had been vacant for six years, and she is charged for trash collection which she says is an injustice. Her last tax bill was doubled due to trash collection. She has had trouble contacting them [DVD, I assume] by phone. She sent them a letter and got no response. Yesterday she got a call saying she got an extra charge because three years ago somebody lived at that address. Ms. Dobrev says no one lived there. She went to DVD to ask them to pick up trash at her house and she has been told that they don't pick up there. Nonetheless, she has to pay the bill. She wanted advice on what to do. She was hoping to find Chief Williams there [he was late to this council meeting]. Some person whose name she did not recall told her to be at city hall at 6:30 AM on a Monday about a year and a half ago. She showed up, but of course no one was there. When the first employee showed up about 7 AM, that employee told her to go home, "he's not going to be here." Ms. Dobrev said she had a meeting scheduled with five people including the Chief of Police and wanted to wait. No one showed up. At 9 AM the man she had planned to meet came in. She got no answer from him and needs an answer.

City Manager Daniels said he would take responsibility for getting the matter resolved. I believe I saw Commander Singer speaking Ms. Dobrev later.

Pamela Berry said she wast at the study session about Cabot's the previous week and found it very enlightening. She wanted to know if the public could have access now to the list of 1,500 items that Terry Chapman has cataloged. She also wanted to know if Ms. Chapman has any help. She said that Jason Simpson said he had shown the location of the artifacts to Chief Williams and "three other people. He did not mention who those three other people were." [What Mr. Simpson actually said was "I have shown the police chief where everything is at. There were more than one person who knows these items. There are about four people. Also, I identified to the city attorney where these things are at." Four people who include: (1) Jason Simpson, (2) Chief Williams and (3) Attorney Duran. Doesn't take much guessing power to guess that the the fourth person should be City Manager Daniels.]

Here's the recording of Jason Simpson speaking about that at the earlier study session:

Ms. Berry asked if any of the council members are one of the people who know where the archives are stored. "And if not, why not?" She also said she understood that Mr. Daniels' contract would be coming up for review [this is not correct information] at the January 7 study session where, she said, the council will discuss whether Mr. Daniels is eligible for a 3% salary increase. She said his base salary is $215,000 and calculated that 3% is over $6,400. She talked to people who became upset and angry at that news.

Paul Tapia is the president of the Police Officers Association. He talked about the breakfast with Santa event held by the POA and firefighters over the previous weekend. He said it was the best Christmas event the city has ever had. Over 1,000 children attended. Chief Williams and several other officers rushed to Indio to get more toys at the last minute. Over 2,000 people attended. 3,000 cookies, pastries, milk & coffee were served. He thanked Councilmembers Sanchez, Betts and Pye. He thanked Mr. Bickford "and Jim" [Provence?]. They used a ballroom at Miracle Springs Spa. All the volunteers made it possible. He hopes there will be another one next year. He said the officers of this city make sure the city is safe, so it can be the best city in the valley. The contract negotiations are moving forward and he hopes they are resolved soon.

[He didn't say, but I imagine that with 2,000 guests, they are glad they didn't try to squeeze them into the Senior Center.]

Dave Johnson, program director from Food Now, thanked everyone for their assistance during the holiday season. Because the chili cook off was postponed, they had a cash shortfall. In the week before Christmas they are expecting to feed at least 750 families. The support of the city council, city staff and residents of the city make this possible, he said. He specifically thanked Radigan Management, Desert Valley Disposal, Playoffs, Glossys and Mission Lakes Country Club. He also thanked Dillon Roadhouse for providing catering at the Chamber Mixer in December. The third annual Chili Cook Off will be at Dillon Roadhouse, and they know that they have to get proper permits for that. The permits have been applied for and he believes all issues have been resolved. He thanked Paul Tapia and Miracle Springs Resort for donating unused milk and cookies after their holiday event.

Consent Calendar

Marilyn Heidrick blew the consent calendar and our dreams of getting out of this meeting early by asking to speak on every item on the consent agenda except the first one. The items were:

  1. The 2012 meeting schedule. Regular council meetings on the 1st and 3rd Tuesdays. Study session to be held on the Monday following the first Tuesday at 4 PM. The schedule does not include a regular second study session (or fourth meeting) each month.
  2. An extension of the contract at the same rate with Gee Whiz for street sweeping from October 1, 2011, to November 30, 2011.
  3. A first amendment to the agreement with Office Team for an additional payment of $35,000 (on top of the previous payment of $30,000) and to extend the agreement through June 2012.
  4. A first amendment to the agreement with Municipal Professionals LLC for an additional $10,000 (on top of the previous amount of $30,000 - or was it $70,000?). The staff report says the current contract amount is $30,000. But in the agreement itself it says "The first amendment amount shall not exceed Ten Thousand Dollars and no Cents ($10,000.00) for additional consulting services for a total agreement amount of Eighty Thousand Dollars and no Cents ($40,000)." It extends the contract through June 2012.
  5. A first amendment to the agreement with ProStaff for Associate Planner services for an additional $120,000. This is in addition to the current $30,000 [or so it says]. Everything seems to match up, providing a total of $150,000. The contract is extended through June 2012.
  6. A first amendment to the agreement with AccountTemps for auditor services for the Transient Occupancy Tax. This would add $35,000 to the current $30,000 contract for a total of $65,000. It extends the contract through June 2012.

Ms. Heidrick asked if Gee Whiz had been working without a contract for two months and did they do their usual work during those two months. The report says they were getting paid $48 per mile, but the new contract with Tri Star is for $75 per unit, which is supposed to be a savings. The amendment says Gee Whiz was paid $52/mile in their initial 2008 contract. In the two-month extension they are being paid $48/mile.

Jason Simpson said there is indeed a savings with the next contract. He needed to verify the numbers to explain further. Ms. Heidrick was understandably dissatisfied with that answer. Mr. Simpson said he would speak with Ms. Heidrick later on the subject. City Manager Daniels took a stab at it. He said that Tri Star's bid was $20 lower per mile than what the agreement had been with Gee Whiz. At the December 6 city council meeting the information showed that the bid from Tri Star was $75/"unit." The estimate linear distance was 75 miles. 75 x 75 = $5,625, which was Tri Star's monthly rate. The staff report in the December 6 council meeting said the city had been paying Gee Whiz approximately $88,000 per year. That works out to about $97.78/mile, which is close to double the $48/mile in the two-month extension amendment. So, if I had to guess (which I'm doing) the "unit" referred to in the Tri Star bid is both sides of the street for a mile, while the $48 in the Gee Whiz contract means $48 for one side of the street per mile. But that would seem to be an unusual way to look at it, since this is street sweeping, not trash pick up. In the latest bids, Gee Whiz bid $184 per mile!

Councilmember Betts pointed out that the staff report on this item says the total is $14,688. That comes to $7,344 per month or $97.92. This does not square with the $48/mile in the amendment. It is, however, consistent with the rate paid in the prior contract.

Councilmember Sanchez thanked Ms. Heidrick for her comments.

On the amendment with Office Team Ms. Heidrick had a question about this sentence in the amendment: "The first amendment amount shall not exceed Thirty Five Thousand Dollars and no Cents ($35,000.00) for additional consulting services for a total agreement amount of Six Five Thousand Dollars and no cents ($65,000.00)." Clearly there is a typo.

Jason Simpson offered to give a staff report on all four items. He explained that the city uses these services to fill out staff as necessary at less expense than hiring full time city employees with pension and health benefits.

Rick Daniels pointed that total city staff has been cut from 122 people down to 62 over the period from late 2006 to the present. Those numbers include an increase of 13 police officers. Temporary hires, he said, guarantee that the necessary work still gets done, but at the absolutely lowest possible cost.

Ultimately, the consent agenda was approved 5-0.

Comments

Councilmember Betts said that in meetings with residents of Rancho Del Oro he has learned that one of their concerns is that students from Painted Hills Middle School are walking through the wash, not following the streets like they are supposed to.

He suggested that a better PA system should be obtained by the city for events like the Christmas tree lighting.

He said the toy give away was fantastic. He said Councilmembers Pye and Sanchez were there. He said he thought the Senior Center would have worked just as well as Miracle Springs. He made the point that the council has always gotten along in closed session, out of sight of the public. He thanked his fellow council members for that.

Councilmember Matas answered Pamela Berry's questions: he thought it had been said at the study session that some on-line access would be provided for the 1,500 cataloged items at Cabot's. Mr. Daniels clarified that issue would be brought back to the council. Mr. Matas said he thought it was possible Ms. Chapman would need help photographing and cataloging. She would probably need someone whose qualifications are similar to her own. He was not present when items from Cabot's were put into storage. He had no comment on the city manager's contract.

Mr. Matas gave an update on the Youth Council which is very active. They are planning a trip to Sacramento for the high school members in May or June.

He said that our city manager is not a grinch. He said that Mr. Daniels and our city staff have brought the city up to a level that no one else could. The actual emails from Mr. Daniels asked "what can I do for you," and never said "no, I won't do for you."

Councilmember Sanchez said he isn't on any commissions so he doesn't have a lot of work to report on. He asked if councilmembers can invite individuals to do the invocation. Mayor Parks said yes, that the city has worked with the Ministerial Association, but with Christmas they were all busy.

He said we want to be the best city in the valley and we do that by working as a team. He said he wants to find a way to get Michael O'Keefe working in DHS again. He said he was glad when he heard that the Police Officers Association wanted to do Christmas With Santa Claus, because "I haven't had a Christmas with Santa Claus that I can recall for at least a couple years."

Councilmember Pye also answered Pamela Berry's questions. She said she has seen some of the stored items, because she volunteered at the museum in 2000. She cited, as examples, a couple of full Indian headdresses and Cabot Yerxa's military jacket. The first appraiser appraised values totaling up to $5 million. The more people who know exactly where those items, the greater the risk. Leeds & Sons Jewelry was robbed by a gang from Los Angeles when they were located in Palm Springs. Now they are on El Paseo in Palm Desert, but have been robbed by a gang from San Diego. She does not feel comfortable broadcasting the location of items that are worth more than $5 million.

She said that she attended the Police Officers Association toy give away and that initially only Councilmembers Betts and Sanchez were invited. Councilmember Betts and Sanchez invited Mayor Parks, Councilmember Matas and Mayor Pro Tem Pye on the Friday before the event.

Mayor Parks said she was under the weather on the 17th, so she was unable to attend either the Santa Breakfast or the Christmas Store.

Ms. Pye said there were two questions from Ms. Berry that she did not answer. She said that Ms. Chapman is working alone now. That's one of the reasons Cabot's Foundation needs to raise funds. On January 7 the council is not reviewing the city manager. They are doing two things: an ethics workshop and then a goals setting strategy. Also, every councilmember got an email on the subject of only individuals, not corporations, are endowed with Constitutional rights. She asked if other members of the council would like this item to be agendized at a future meeting. No other council members could recall seeing the email, so Ms. Pye said she would send a copy to the city manager who could then forward it to the council.

Mayor Parks said she has seen the Indian blankets at Cabot's,but doesn't know where things are stored and doesn't want to know. She says anyone who has valuables does not want the whole world, "every thief in town," to know where the valuables are. Ms. Parks asked Ms. Berry if she had answered her questions. Ms Berry said that if the January 7 council meeting [the actual dates of the next council meetings are January 3 and January 9] is not to review the city manager's contract, she'd like to know if there is one and if she has the date wrong.

[Here's a link to my posting of January 13, 2011, that summarizes the main points of the city manager contract. After January 1, 2012, the council may give him a 3% raise. There was a little more discussion about that at the city council meeting of January 18, 2011, where the contract was approved.]

Mayor Parks repeated what Ms. Pye said, that the first study session in January will be on the two topics of ethics and goal setting. Ms. Berry asked if it's scheduled for another meeting. "Not at this time," Mayor Parks answered.

Then she said...

I'm going to do a little thing here which I don't normally do. The word "transparent" has been used many times in the past few weeks and I would like to make a statement regarding being transparent. Transparency is the providing of information that is factual and not misleading. We have had an incident recently that facts were given under the guise of transparency. You determine for yourself if the facts represent the truth. In late November the Senior Center manager was contacted by the Police Officers Association to use the facility for the toy collection give away and breakfast. The Senior Center manager notified the city administration for approval. After reviewing the request, the city manager was notified that the facility might not be large enough to hold this event. The city manager sent an email, and I'm going to read the email so that we are all transparent. And this email was in response to a Police Officers Association board member.
Thanks for your note. It is admirable that your group is undertaking this event in the community. Unfortunately, the Senior Center is not designed to handle 600 people at once or even over the many hours of the event. I would suggest that you look to one of the larger churches, hotels or schools to hold the event. I would be glad to assist you in making contacts with some of those facilities. Additionally, are you accepting contributions for this event?
Never even taking into consideration the parking at the Senior Center. The parking at the Miracle [Springs Resort] where they had it, I'm sure that lot and the lot in between and maybe as far down as the [DHS] Spa [Hotel], but in the email that I got late Friday, I was told that I had to park on 12th Street and walk down. So, I think even at the Miracle, it was pushing it as far as a thousand kids plus their families.

So, anyway, the POA president sends an email to a local TV news media:

Hello Philippe, (Philippe is with Channel 3) question for you. How do you think the public would feel if they knew that we could not use the Senior Center for our Breakfast With Santa Toy Give Away all because the city manager declined our request due to political reasons like our endorsement of Councilmen Betts and Sanchez. Their excuse is that the center cannot accommodate 600 kids. It has never been an issue in the past four years. And we never planned on having 600 kids inside. Instead, we planned on forming lines and allowing only so many to enter at a time. How is that for an excuse? How pathetic is that? Especially when our POA is presently in negotiations for our police contract with the city. That they would make even you run from the other way and send the city back to what it was three years ago. Just a question and some info. Thanks.

After the interview was conducted, local media labeled the city manager a "grinch." The following week the city manager and staff were invited by the Senior Center manager for a Q & A session. The meeting had many concerns brought to the attention of staff, including the ridiculous allegations of city staff not allowing the POA and fire department to hold their event at the Senior Center for political reasons. Absolutely nonsense.

December 13 a member of the Senior Center put flyers on the table saying Rick Daniels was a grinch who would not allow the children of DHS to have a toy give away at the Senior Center. The Senior Center manager asked that this not take place and was challenged by a Senior on the reason why. She wanted to see the policy why she could not do this, escalating the situation to a very uncomfortable situation. The police department had to get get involved. A council member and local media felt they needed to confront the Senior Center manager also. I have never been more disgusted by the actions of the individuals for the lies and truth-twisting in all the years as mayor of this city. Our city manager and staff are productive, honest, hard working individuals, and to say they would stop a toy give away for political reasons is just wrong. It is time we unify as a city, stand strong as a community. As mayor I have had the pleasure of working with a productive city administration, council and community leaders to give the citizens of Desert Hot Springs tens of millions of dollars worth of projects and programs that have improved the quality of life for all of us. There is a political force in this city trying to unravel all that has been done. I am asking that it stop and we work together for a productive 2012. Thanks you.

Councilmember Betts said he wanted to make a couple of comments. He said he didn't know what the point of rehashing all that was. [It may have been a rehash for him, but this was the first time I heard all that laid out as the Mayor did.] He said he organized a line going through Miracle Springs, and it was like an assembly line. He can't figure out why the Senior Center would not have served for the purpose. He said this is normal for contract negotiations. He said the problem was that at the last minute the POA and firefighters were told they couldn't use the Senior Center. The answer is not to say the building can't be used, but to find a way that it can, to say yes, not no.

He went on to say that he has to presume he is the council member that Mayor Parks referred to as showing up at the Senior Center. He said he just stopped in to meet and greet the Seniors. When he walked in it was peaceful. He witnessed a game of Yahtzee. Then somebody told him about a flyer. Then he said hello to the manager who told him she wasn't have a great day. Mr. Betts explained "this is Desert Hot Springs" and things blow over. "If you're pointing some kind of fingers at me as to starting some kind of ruckus down at the Senior Center, I think the people involved are capable of starting whatever kind of ruckus they want to, and I certainly had nothing to do with it."

He went on to say that there will always be different ideas on what people want in this city, but everybody wants it to be unified. "I don't think the speech you just gave is doing anything towards unifying the city." He said some of the things said were unfair and he doesn't think the city manager is a grinch. "I think that speech you just read was way out of line."

At this point Attorney Duran weighed in saying that the council is bordering on a Brown Act violation by discussing what is turning out to be a potential item of city business. When it starts to be a back and forth, you risk violating the Brown Act. He asked the council to refrain.

Whereupon Councilmember Sanchez turned on his microphone and said "Mayor Parks, I want to amplify on what Mr. Betts had to say." This produced a mild uproar from the citizens in attendance and some turned heads on the dais. Mr. Sanchez went on "I want to speak to the event one more time, not speak to any of you at all."

[It was not clear to me who Mr. Sanchez referred to when he said "any of you." The council? The public? Staff?]

He said he did Cops With Kids Day and he did Christmas With Santa Claus in the past. He's done it at the Senior Center "for years and years." He said the intent was to help kids. He said it could be done at the Senior Center tomorrow. He said it could be done at any capacity in any facility. "You opened up this dialogue, and I think in the future we need to be more careful about how you attack us here at the dais."

Mayor Parks said she didn't attack anybody. "Methinks you protest too loudly," she added.

City Manager Daniels said the Cabot's collection has probably never been as safe as it is today. It's not lying on the ground out there like it had for the last 30 years. He has seen all of the most significant pieces. They deserve to receive the broadest visitation by members of this community, he said. The problem is tens of millions of dollars and the time to build facilities that are suitable for displaying and protecting the items.

Sales tax receipts are up 46%. This increase exceeds every other jurisdiction in Riverside County. The actual increase was $95,000, which was more than the increase in La Quinta, Rancho Mirage, Indian Wells, Cathedral City, Banning and Beaumont.

Property values have increased 13.9% since 2010. There are 80 zip codes in Riverside County. Only 8 zip codes had a higher increase than 92240.

The solar farm at Dillon & Little Morongo will be a $10 million investment.

The new Film Commission under the sole guidance of Courtney Moe has already issued two film permits. He's gotten a couple of volunteers to assist him, including Russ Martin who Mr. Daniels dubbed "Assistant Film Commissioner" right there on the spot and promised to double his pay. [They don't get paid, I should probably clarify for those who don't get the joke.]

In response to requests from Seniors, some improvements have been made at the Senior Center: fans in the restrooms and a higher toilet.

The city has also helped some Seniors who were unable to care for their property. At one house they hauled away 9 pickup truck loads of trash and debris. Mr. Daniels thanked the Good Works Crew for that.

The police department got a Shiny Apple Award from the school district.

The city manager began to talk about incomplete subdivisions around town with performance bonds that the city has been having difficulty calling in. The city is having to initiate litigation.

Here Councilmember Betts interrupted to ask the city attorney if this was getting close to discussing a closed session agenda item. Mr. Duran conferred privately with Mr. Daniels. Mr. Duran said this was a closed session agenda item some months ago and it had already been reported out of closed session, so the information is already public. The city is already in litigation and more can be expected.

[Indeed, here is my write up of the August 8 city council meeting where it was announced and here you can find a PDF of the filing related to Agua Dulce. Now, maybe the city council has been discussing something even beyond these lawsuits, but if that's the case, it was Mr. Betts who just telegraphed it, not Mr. Daniels.]

Mr. Daniels went on to list all the intersections where new striping would be applied to the pavement during school break.

Chief Veik announced that there would be a planned burn of old buildings at Indio High School. He invited only the city council and public safety commission.

Chief Williams said it was important to add some information about the toy give away. This year, the management of the Senior Center was contracted out. As part of that, the Senior Center was placed under the supervision of Chief Williams. Strict adherence to city rules is required. Around the last week of November he learned that an event, the toy drive, at the Senior Center was being advertised. He asked the liaison to the Senior Center to contact the Senior Center manager to be sure that all appropriate process had taken place. He learned that nothing had been done. No paper work had been submitted to reserve the site or to support the event. He requested a meeting with two board members of the POA, the Senior Center liaison and the Senior Center manager to discuss it. The POA had had a conversation with the SC manager, but had taken no action. This was only 2 or 3 weeks ahead of the planned event. "There's nobody in the room here that doesn't think that having a toy drive makes sense," he said. In 2010 they did Shop With A Cop at Kmart. In prior years the police and firefighters drove around to deliver gifts. It has not been a routine event at the Senior Center. The POA board members were interested in a fee waiver. To get that, it would have to be made a city event. So the POA board wrote a letter to the city manager which resulted in the CM's response which was read out by the mayor. "You can't just show up and use a city facility without a process," the Chief said. "I will not allow it as long as I'm overseeing it." He said he's very proud of the men and women in the police force and he's very proud of the event that took place.

Councilmember Betts said he had a question for the chief. Mayor Parks said we would have no bantering. Mr. Betts said "I wasn't bantering, I had a question." Mayor Parks permitted him to ask his question. Then Mr. Betts directed his question not to the chief, but to the city manager and city attorney. He asked if when somebody wants to use a city building, could the event be made a city event, and would that cover the insurance and permit fee. Mr. Daniels said yes, it can be done, but only the city council has authority to waive the fees, and it would go to CCAC first. Mr. Daniels suggested that further discussion of this item could be agendized for a future meeting, if the council wanted to discuss it. Mr. Betts continued, saying that groups should know that the council is open to waiving fees for future events. Mr. Daniels said he would schedule this subject for a future council meeting.

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Comments

Well, we are making progress here. We are past the suggestions that the firefighters wanted to exceed the room occupancy limits and that the police officers were not taking into consideration traffic and parking for the event.

It’s down to the rules and following them. As was confirmed at the council meeting, the city council does have the discretion to wave permits and to allow use of the senior center under the umbrella of a city sponsored event. Nobody is suggesting throwing rules to the wind. Those are the rules.

I can only speak for myself as one of five council members but had the request been put before the council, my vote would have been to make it a city sponsored event allowing the police and firefighters to use the senior center for the Christmas toy giveaway.

Posted by: Russell Betts at Jan 1, 2012 7:12:03 PM

The connection between the two events (Food Now chili cook off and POA breakfast with Santa) is that both were derailed from their original plans by the city's permitting process. Different permits because one would be at a private business and the other wanted to use a city building. Both were organized by nonprofits. Both were holiday related. Both enjoy widespread support in the city. The rules should apply to all, fairly and equally, and that's how the city has handled it.

Posted by: Ron's Log at Jan 1, 2012 4:07:13 PM

I'm sorry Ron. What does a line of kids walking through a Senior Center in orderly fashion getting a Christmas Gift have to do with the Dillon Roadhouse event? It seems both of them are executed differently.

Posted by: PeteCrisp at Jan 1, 2012 3:37:29 PM

Everybody wants the city to enforce all rules fairly and equally. Attention to detail is everybody's highest priority. That is until those rules interfere with your own favorite thing.

There's a process one goes through to reserve a city building for an event. Forms are filled out. Maybe money is paid. Things are reviewed and things are approved or possibly changed.

Judging from what Chief Williams said at this council meeting, the POA were less than detail-oriented in reserving the Senior Center. Then somewhere in the process someone had to make a decision about capacity. My guess is the responsibility for that decision rests with the Chief of Police or the City Manager, not the POA, not the firefighters, not even with Chief Veik. I suppose if some event were dangerously overcrowded Chief Veik could shut it down, but Chief Veik is not in charge of approving the use of city buildings.

Some people, Russ Betts included, think the rules should be waived for police & firefighters because we can trust them. I don't think we should have one set of rules for the police & fire, and then a whole 'nother set of rules for the rest of us - except where it matters, like using tasers and guns and handcuffs and all that good cop stuff.

If the POA wants to be able to make the final decision on what goes on in the Senior Center, then they should buy the building from the city and operate it at their own expense. Until then it's city property and there is one set of rules for everybody who wants to use it.

Not long before this brouhaha there was a problem with permitting Food Now's chili cook off at Dillon Road House. It was a holiday-related event and clearly some people were pissed off at how it went down. But it didn't become politicized. No one said "Surely Food Now knows how to safely hold a food event for a crowd. Let them do whatever they want."

If we waive the rules for the POA and the Senior Center, what're we going to say to Food Now? "Sorry, you're not the police?"

Posted by: Ron's Log at Jan 1, 2012 12:03:19 PM

Apparently Ron feels the Firemen and the Police Officers involved with Christmas toy giveaway are too incompetent to realize the senior center was not an appropriate place for this event.

Posted by: PeteCrisp at Dec 31, 2011 11:27:35 PM

I trust the Fire Department to put on an event such as this, and I'm quite sure that all precautions & thoughts' were talked about regarding parking and occupancy. Besides, hasn't the Senior Center been used for other events' in the past, with NO issues whatsoever? I believe Russel Betts' comment about overflow of parking going to the elementary school was sufficient. I'm absolutely sure that there were never an issue with occupancy with people.

Again, people need to believe in those that are putting on a wonderful event such as this, and stop trying to complicate it.

Posted by: Andrew at Dec 31, 2011 12:56:03 PM

Ron,
The firefighters and police officers that were organizing this event certainly would not have allowed a sitution to occur where room occupancy was exceeded. I touched that base with Fire Chief Veik on this point.

On the issue of parking, there is a school adjacent to the Senior Center parking lot that handles as many cars each school day. The was adequate parking. Nobody organizing the event ever suggested every car of every person attending would use the 30 spaces at the senior center.

Again, these are police officers that were organizing the event. As much as they don't like traffic duty, I think all of them understand that issue.

The subject of "it might rain" came up as a reason the senior center would not work. Who would have guessed that it actually would rain on the day of the event. The volunteers walked the line to make sure everyone in line was okay. They were. One woman with three sets of twins (wow) asked if she and her babies could wait inside. We helped her roll her strollers in.

On the event permit and the insurance requirments that came up, that too could have easily been dispensed with. All it took was a simple request before the city council. I am sure my fellow council members would have been happy to grant that given the wonderful nature of this event.

What other reasons can you think of? There must be others that have been imagined but none that I have heard are reason why the event could not have taken place at the senior center. None.

Best Regards,
Russ

Posted by: Russell Betts at Dec 31, 2011 11:15:37 AM

"absolutely no reason the senior center could not have been used." None. Absolutely none. Can't think of a single one can you. Burned up the brain cells trying to come up with one, but no, there are no reasons.

How about trying to fit 2,000 people into a space big enough for a couple hundred with a parking lot that couldn't have more than 30 spaces.

Was the goal to pick a broom closet and then amaze people with some clown-car tricks, or was it to provide a safe and fun event for a lot of kids?

Glad I could help you think of a reason.

Posted by: Ron's Log at Dec 31, 2011 10:54:07 AM

Ron,
Thanks as always for the report on the council meeting. To clarify a point, yes the city is in litigation regarding the Aqua Dulce development as was reported out and as you reported earlier. The item and details surrounding it however are still the subject of ongoing council closed session discussions. Information not previously made public should not be discussed, thus my inquiry of the city attorney during the meeting.

At the risk of reopening the kerfuffle over the use of the senior center but to dispell the ongoing myth regarding its suitability for the toy giveaway, there is absolutely no reason the senior center could not have been used for the event. None whatsoever.

Ron, it is a wonderful service you provide to the community with your reporting on the council meetings and the many other meetings that you cover. Thanks. And thanks for this opportunity to add to the discussion.

Best Regards,
Russ

Posted by: Russell Betts at Dec 31, 2011 10:46:52 AM

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